This was only my second purchase from bike smith. As I moved 5 miles from my local bike shop and my bike is my main transportation, I decided to try a little online and that only did I get both products cheaper than I would have at my store they came quickly and I will be ordering anything I need for my boys from now on from there unless I having to be downtown where my shop is. But I'm pretty isolated where I am thank you Mike smith. And I will spread the word I know nobody but bicyclists none of us have cars thank you